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Tin Edo Tensei Minato End The Rumbling in I Day?

• Thread starter roronoaruffy
• Start date Apr fifteen, 2022

• #76

Edo Tensei is a basically zoo, canis familiaris or any animal who cannot be gratuitous from a cage or a concatenation aka owner. Yes they have do limitless chakra and insane regeneration later an random user who can interruption from master'south control similar Madara.

Anyways, Minato obliterated them or maybe non.

• #77

Okay, I grant this is pretty expert bear witness for substantially unlimited regeneration. Although Kankuro does say the only style to terminate them is to seal them or immobilize them. "Immobilize" is pretty vague-- information technology could mean trapping someone in a pit so they can't get out. Information technology could as well mean dissentious someone plenty that they're unable to regenerate any longer, and thus can't physically locomote.

Regardless, I'one thousand willing to concede this is pretty good evidence in favor of unlimited regeneration. All the same, unlimited chakra is a separate merits to unlimited regeneration; and so that claim requires information technology's own evidence.

• #78

Since chakra is held/flows through the chakra pathways ninja have, doesn´t their unlimited regeneration lone proof that chakra gets regenerated with it? Because if you blow up the whole body and it become´southward regenerated without chakra they would exist absolutely worthless later getting destroyed once.

• #79

On some other note, did Minato ever use clones? Mass spamming those should help.

Haven't checked if this was replied to, simply yes he uses the Shadow Clone jutsu in one case or twice against Obito. Doesn't seem the blazon to spam them, but in this kind of matchup he'd accept to to manage it.

• #lxxx

Haven't checked if this was replied to, simply yeah he uses the Shadow Clone jutsu once or twice against Obito. Doesn't seem the type to spam them, but in this kind of matchup he'd accept to to manage information technology.

Being fair most don't actually spam the Shadow Clone much considering its hell on the energy. I think it's also a technique where your full power gets distributed between each clone and so similar two clones are ane/2 every bit much energy equally the full and similar 3 clones means that everyone has 1/4 total free energy to throw around. Naruto gets by with having Bullshit Levels of Energy and being the Shonen Protag hero.

Thinking virtually information technology the clone span may non exist the style to become depending on how much energy the techniques need to work.

Similar someone mentioned above, if say he has 100 total units of power to utilize and his kill moves take near 10 power then he tin can only make about x clones max, any more then that and even if he has infinite refill on his energy the total available that whatsoever ane clone has would be less then 10 significant that they wouldn't take the energy available to use that kill move. Now how much energy he has and how much his kill moves take is another argue entirely.

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• #81

Being fair most don't really spam the Shadow Clone much because its hell on the energy. I think it'due south also a technique where your total power gets distributed betwixt each clone then like two clones are ane/2 as much energy equally the total and like three clones means that everyone has 1/4 total energy to throw around. Naruto gets past with having Bullshit Levels of Energy and existence the Shonen Protag hero.

Thinking about it the clone bridge may non be the way to go depending on how much energy the techniques need to work.

Like someone mentioned above, if say he has 100 full units of power to use and his kill moves take about ten power and then he can only brand virtually ten clones max, whatsoever more then that and even if he has infinite refill on his energy the full bachelor that any one clone has would be less and then 10 meaning that they wouldn't have the energy available to utilize that kill motion. At present how much energy he has and how much his impale moves take is another debate entirely.

Clones dissever existing Chakra but that doesn't touch on their cap as clones can gather Chakra to give dorsum to the original. Then Minato should be able to make a shit ton of clones.

• #82

If Hashirama had a cap on how many clones he can make, I'd definitely say making them does divide the cap of the chakra they can gather equally well.

• #83

Being fair nearly don't really spam the Shadow Clone much because its hell on the energy. I think it's also a technique where your total power gets distributed between each clone so like 2 clones are 1/2 as much energy as the full and like iii clones means that anybody has 1/iv total free energy to throw around. Naruto gets past with having Bullshit Levels of Energy and existence the Shonen Protag hero.

Thinking about information technology the clone span may non be the mode to go depending on how much free energy the techniques demand to work.

Like someone mentioned above, if say he has 100 total units of ability to utilize and his kill moves have virtually 10 ability then he tin merely make about ten clones max, any more than then that and even if he has infinite refill on his energy the total available that whatsoever one clone has would be less so 10 meaning that they wouldn't have the energy bachelor to use that kill move. Now how much energy he has and how much his kill moves take is another fence entirely.

That'due south not how shadow clones work they don't split total power like that. People tend to get confused about it considering naruto deliberately evenly divided his chakra between his clones at one point during his fight with Neji in the Chunin exams and so that he would non be able to differentiate his real body from clones past the corporeality of chakra they had with his Byakugan.

• #84

That's not how shadow clones work they don't carve up total power similar that. People tend to get confused about information technology because naruto deliberately evenly divided his chakra between his clones at one point during his fight with Neji in the Chunin exams then that he would not be able to differentiate his real body from clones by the corporeality of chakra they had with his Byakugan.

That is just how the technique functions. That is stated in both the databook and series past itself, when used by any graphic symbol. E'er wonder why Hiruzen didn't make a bunch of clones against Orochimaru? Orochinaru wondered, and an ANBU answers why:

Because the way the technique always works is to evenly split chakra beyond the number of clones created.

• #85

The shadow clones dividing your power got retconned in role 2 considering they don't behave like that at all later on. One of like a thousand naruto clones showed relativity with the edo raikage, who was relative to the Viii-Tails. KCM 1 Naruto isn't a one thousand times stronger than the Eight-Tails. Another example is when So6ps Naruto uses clones to fight Madara'southward limbo clones; Limbo clones are around the same ability of the user, so if Naruto made himself several times weaker his clones would've easily gotten destroyed by said Limbo clones, simply once again, the both of their clones were relative to each other. In addition, Naruto uses hundreds to thousands of clones against Kaguya, which would exist pointless if each clone was a m times weaker than his original form.

The clones tend to acquit like the somewhat weaker summons of himself, or at least I recall that'southward a more than authentic depiction of their mechanics. Im besides pretty sure that the technique only talks nearly splitting chakra and non chakra capacity.

• #86

KCM ane Naruto isn't a chiliad times stronger than the Viii-Tails.

..? All clones are as potent equally the original, regardless of number. Whether he makes one or a 1000, so long as he is comparable to someone, and so will his clones be.

The corporeality of chakra someone has has zero to exercise with their power. Kid Naruto has more chakra than Kakashi, that means jack all with being fifty-fifty remotely as strong.

so if Naruto made himself several times weaker h

He doesn't. Where did you get the idea that he does?

The clones tend to behave like the somewhat weaker summons of himself

No. They are less durable - to an extent, they can still take plenty penalisation in the manga - merely not weaker.

Im also pretty sure that the technique only talks well-nigh splitting chakra and not chakra capacity.

If information technology didn't, the Edo Tensei wouldn't accept a cap to how many clones they tin spawn.

Final edited: April 19, 2022

• #87

The simply clone technique that I remember splitting the max chakra chapters is Mu´southward, and that was a special technique of his (where he really split in two and was pointed out every bit a special technique that makes him only half equally stiff, not a standart clone ane). How the hell would that even work with limiting their chakra cap? Their chakra network gets a memo when they make a clone that information technology is at present only allowed to shop that and that much free energy and when the clone pops it´s immune to store more again?

Edit: I would also presume clones don´t go the edo regeneration on their chakra, so If an edo spawns a clone it starts with half his chakra and that´s information technology max, if the edo spawns 2 they but start with a third etc... Mass spawning clones with plenty power to matter would actually take a long fourth dimension, which you oftentimes don´t have in ninja fights.

Last edited: Apr nineteen, 2022

• #88

Information technology's probably more accurate to say that recovering chakra is one of the benefits of a regenerating body. As in, their whole body is being consistently regenerated, which includes their flesh, stamina, and chakra.

• #89

Kay so what I got is that if you had 100 power and did a shadow clone you would accept two people with a power of 50 each, but with the power to accept them recover upwards to the max of 100 power each, it's just that in a fight both combatants wouldn't have a hazard to recover cause you lot fighting, and that assumes that the shadow clone is the opening motion and non something done into the fight where you have less power already.

Terminal edited: Apr 19, 2022

• #90

Edit: I would as well assume clones don´t get the edo regeneration on their chakra, so If an edo spawns a clone it starts with half his chakra and that´southward it max, if the edo spawns 2 they only first with a tertiary etc... Mass spawning clones with enough power to matter would actually take a long time, which you lot often don´t have in ninja fights.

That doesn't work when Hashirama and Tobirama make 1 set of clones, and then say "welp, that's it, can't brand no more".

Kay and then what I got is that if you had 100 ability and did a shadow clone you would accept two people with a ability of l each, just with the ability to have them recover up to the max of 100 ability each, it's just that in a fight both combatants wouldn't have a take a chance to recover cause you fighting, and that assumes that the shadow clone is the opening movement and not something done into the fight where yous have less power already.

Only Edo Tensei recover immediately, or over a few seconds at near, and still they couldn't make any more clones.

• #91

Kay so what I got is that if you had 100 power and did a shadow clone you would have two people with a power of 50 each, but with the ability to have them recover upwardly to the max of 100 power each

No clones can´t recover chakra as faar every bit I know (if you lot are a sage your clone tin gather nature chakra for you but thats most it)

That doesn't work when Hashirama and Tobirama make one set of clones, and then say "welp, that's it, can't make no more".

The litteraly said they are unable to make any more clones? Why would Hajirama then weaken himself past sending a clone just to stall Madara?

Anyhow, is at that place an actuall quote somewhere that says a clone reduces the cakra cap of the guy making it instead of just taking half his current chakra?

• #92

The litteraly said they are unable to brand any more clones? Why would Hajirama and so weaken himself by sending a clone simply to stall Madara?

Anyway, is in that location an actuall quote somewhere that says a clone reduces the cakra cap of the guy making it instead of just taking half his current chakra?

He already has a limit on how much he can use due to the barrier during the fight, just if he regenerated it then he could just brand more as soon as he did.

And it makes no logical sense for that not to exist instance, else why wouldn't anybody be spamming clones as an Edo Tensei? Be it the water clones that hold xxx% of his chakra with Kisame, or any other clone jutsu.

And it's not like Shadow Clones are a bandage and forget technique. All shadow clones' chakra is however linked with the original creator in a cyberspace. Information technology'southward why he feels pain fifty-fifty if only a clone is using Kurama's chakra, why all of them feel hurting when Madara tries to summon Kurama, and if you lot have Boruto into it - the user has to consciously keep other Shadow Clones active or else they disperse.

• #93

and if you lot take Boruto into it - the user has to consciously keep other Shadow Clones active or else they disperse.

Okay ... if that is stated in Boruto wouldn´t that already exist a possible explanation why they don´t spam them?

Also, nosotros can´t just brand upward characteristics of a technique to explain why they don´t use it, if information technology´s never actually stated it has that. The one fourth dimension we know a clone techinque that actually leaves the user at half strengh it´south Mus and information technology gets specificly chosen out for it (Kabuto commenting how he is weakend, and Mu talking nigh how he tin can´t use grit release while he is split).

• #94

Also, we can´t just make up characteristics of a technique to explain why they don´t use it, if it´s never actually stated it has that. The one time we know a clone techinque that really leaves the user at half strengh information technology´s Mus and it gets specificly chosen out for it (Kabuto commenting how he is weakend, and Mu talking about how he tin can´t utilize dust release while he is carve up).

This once again? Strength=/=chakra. Losing half of your chakra, and losing half of your strength are completely different things.

Mu splits himself into two through diminutive fission and anime logic to arrive piece of work, dividing everything he has in two. The chakra is equally dissever betwixt clones, and kept as split by their connection with the original. If somebody could just leave clones and recover, and then they would do that.

If you lot want to find another explanation for it, why not, just you nonetheless tin't argue Edo Tensei volition clone spam in any vs.

• #95

If you desire to find some other explanation for it, why not, but you yet tin can't argue Edo Tensei will clone spam in any vs.

I am not arguing that the edo tensei is going to clone spam (Edit: Since they don´t practise it in catechism they can´t or wont, information technology was more a full general question I asked in the get-go it information technology was an option) , I am arguing against you making up an caption that has no basis in canon. They don´t employ more then 2 - 3 clones in catechism ever is a pretty good argument for why an edo wouldn´t do it in a vs.

Final edited: April nineteen, 2022

• #96

I am non arguing that the edo tensei is going to clone spam (Edit: Since they don´t do it in canon they can´t or wont, information technology was more a general question I asked in the kickoff it it was an option) , I am arguing confronting you making upwardly an explanation that has no basis in canon. They don´t use more than and so 2 - iii clones in canon ever is a pretty good argument for why an edo wouldn´t do it in a vs.

I don't hold it has no basis. It's established clones' chakra is divided, and when information technology is divided, their chakra is still connected. The chakra isn't used up until the clone is dispersed (in which case the chakra returns) or destroyed.

• #97

I don't concord it has no basis. It's established clones' chakra is divided, and when information technology is divided, their chakra is still connected. The chakra isn't used up until the clone is dispersed (in which case the chakra returns) or destroyed.

Which I don´t agree on, since they don´t rip out parts of their own charkra network, so at that place should exist no reason for the original torso to be able to fill up upwardly back to max level.
Only, since nosotros both agree that they don´t mass shadow spam in character as edo, I recollect we can agree to disagree without it having any consequences for the actuall debate.

• #98

I don't think there'south a canon answer to the chakra chapters and recovery of clones. The just time Shadow Clones are nowadays long enough for that to matter is in the War Arc, and it doesn't analyze that. I do doubt they tin can fully recover the chakra that has been split amidst the clones, though. Otherwise it would be standard practice to keep clones effectually then you could dispel them to instantly double, triple (etc.) your chakra. And because Minato only has a day for this challenge, it probably doesn't thing. That's non much time for clones to sit around recovering.

Concluding edited: Apr 19, 2022

• #99

He simply needs to kill 115.seven per second using the ten million effigy
Teleportation ways distance betwixt them is irrelevent and with his speed he can kill a lot more then a few hundred every second.

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• #100

I don't think there'southward a catechism answer to the chakra capacity and recovery of clones. The only time Shadow Clones are present long plenty for that to matter is in the War Arc, and it doesn't clarify that. I do uncertainty they can fully recover the chakra that has been split among the clones, though. Otherwise it would be standard practice to go along clones around so yous could dispel them to instantly double, triple (etc.) your chakra. And because Minato only has a day for this challenge, it probably doesn't thing. That'south not much time for clones to sit around recovering.

We do know clones can atleast gather up sage chakra to give back to the original.

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